I'm in this group of born ins. I see them either leaving or just numb. A select few are zealous and used in the hierarchy....the rest sit back and feel like we have the truth but something is seriously wrong. Hey, if we die, we die at least we won't burn. I was talking with some 60/70 year old born ins who 'made the truth their own' with deep study, but say us 20/30 year olds haven't done that, but we aren't given anything deep and these old ones see it. They said we need to do our own research, trust in Jehovah, and rise above. I pointed out all the hypocrisy, double standards, and lack of love they see it and acknowledge it. They did get worked up saying as I pointed out multiple flaws we have, their trust is in the slave though, thinking local congs are crazy but not the bOrg. I shut my mouth when they went there, I didn't need to be in a JC. So, the oldies trust in the top not the local level...and the youth, don't know what to think, other then wishing they were out. Pissed off they have kids, are Broke, and can't live their life.
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How many born ins actually stay?
by lostinthought ini was wondering if anyone know sany statistics of the amount of born ins that actually stay in the orginization.
i think i have read it before on here but i can't really remember what it was.
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Meeting With A Very Small Group Of Bible Students Tonight
by lambsbottom injust wanted to chat with them and see how they think.
anything i should know before besides the basics?.
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How did you find them? Curious how it goes and to see others response. Keep us posted.
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Waking up your spouse
by All for show ini am aware this has to be done quite carefully, but how?
while many may complain and see the hypocrisy within the kh's, maybe even with the gb, how does one bring up doctrine issues?
i surely can not tell my husband to "go look what jwfacts.com says".
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I'll have to dig after our next meeting. I know we do not believe the Holy Spirit does any appointing, nor do we really believe in these blessings or 'modern day miracles' we hear during our meetings. Or as we like to call them, personal testimony hour. He can not stand the weakness and unloving way the elders are, the hypocrisy, and callousness to the 'lowly' ones. To sum it up, he can not stand how they talk about how loving, united, we are compared to others, when he feels we are the most UNloving group. He isnt affected by people's personal opinions in regards to his choices or views, and maintains his only concern is that of Jehovahs approval. Primarily, it's a social issues he has.
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Waking up your spouse
by All for show ini am aware this has to be done quite carefully, but how?
while many may complain and see the hypocrisy within the kh's, maybe even with the gb, how does one bring up doctrine issues?
i surely can not tell my husband to "go look what jwfacts.com says".
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I am aware this has to be done quite carefully, but how? While many may complain and see the hypocrisy within the KH's, maybe even with the GB, how does one bring up doctrine issues? I surely can not tell my husband to "go look what jwfacts.com says". So, how have any of you done it?
I have been pondering things with my husband, 1914 for example. He is open to discussion but I don't want to cross that precious line and then he stops listening to me and becomes defensive. I have been fed all these 'biblical truths' I have no way of knowing anything on my own. I guess now I see I have been a lazy witness. It just seems it would be a 'he said she said' of biblical researcher opinions/interpretations.
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Why I hate Tuesdays
by kneehighmiah inall throughout my life tuesdays were my meeting nights.
well tuesdays and thursdays to be more precise, when we had book study but book study was at my house so it wasn't terrible.
anyways as a kid i hated coming home from school, doing homework and then going to the meetings.
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I think this very thought often. I HATED t/th as a kid and I still do to this day. Who goes out late at night for a religious meeting, with kids until 9pm? Other churches yes, but they were youth groups and the other kids looked forward to going and having fun!! I always felt guilty school friends had fun at church and i felt it was such a drudgery. School Kids would always invite me, they were not like our "meetings" From their description. What a dumb name too, everything about being a JW had to be so different And boring.
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Will JW.ORG actually harm the WT Society Long Term ?
by flipper inmy son and i were discussing this yesterday over coffee.
since the wt society in previous years virtually demonized going on the internet at all for jw's - now wt leaders are doing a complete turn around or about face probably so as to " compete " or keep up with all the anti-jw websites that are out there to give the wt society point of view.. however- it very well may backfire on them as once people start doing google searches looking for jw.org it will bring up all the other websites dealing with any jw issues and in the privacy of their own homes out of curiosity i'm sure lots of jw's are going to want to check out some of these sites to see what all the " apostate " hoopla is all about.
i wonder how many jw's will do this and will it have an effect in opening more minds to other views ?
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Phizzy: I stumbled here by accident during the jw.org frenzy. I saw and clicked on an image in google search and it brought me to this forum, I would have NEVER found. I was unhappy, but wouldn't read 'apostate' stuff. Something, some thread caught my eye, then my mind was blown.
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Will JW.ORG actually harm the WT Society Long Term ?
by flipper inmy son and i were discussing this yesterday over coffee.
since the wt society in previous years virtually demonized going on the internet at all for jw's - now wt leaders are doing a complete turn around or about face probably so as to " compete " or keep up with all the anti-jw websites that are out there to give the wt society point of view.. however- it very well may backfire on them as once people start doing google searches looking for jw.org it will bring up all the other websites dealing with any jw issues and in the privacy of their own homes out of curiosity i'm sure lots of jw's are going to want to check out some of these sites to see what all the " apostate " hoopla is all about.
i wonder how many jw's will do this and will it have an effect in opening more minds to other views ?
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I would agree with on the way out .... I am 37 with friends in late 20's and 30's who don't 'buy in' to all the WT nonsense. Meeting attendance and field service attendance not stellar, seeing all the hypocrisy and having aged parents with no cash or means to retire Looking at them for aide. I can't say if they are open to TTATT, as we all know the family ties bind deep as a born in. Most drink, party, and goof around....show up for CA and RC and snap selfies. Very few in my age range are devout/obsessive, but they exist.
my siblings all laugh at when the internet was ' bad', While older JWs feel the society is progressive with the website, progressive?!
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Blown away-- where to go from here
by All for show ini stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.
the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.
it's global.
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I was elated to see so many positive responses. Thank you to everyone.
We have worldy friends/work associates who all know we are JWs. I don't know how we can fade and become more involved with them without them finding out. They are connected in different ways to some family/jw friends and it seems as though it would all get muddled up. Or, perhaps I am no where near that point. I'm thinking of what/ how things can go down.
One thing I hate, what a joke service is And how we are judged and our worth is based off how much time we give, not the fact that our service time is an absolute joke! We have witnessed and been a good witness through our college/work lives but no one can see that, therefore there is no worth. We haven't done service all together, as a family, or even a Saturday in almost two years. Wh dress all our kids, to parade around town MAYBE talking to one person, just to be seen by the congregation folks? That's once snippet of annoyance to me. When I have gone out I get put with some 18 -20 year old pioneer girls so they can 'assist and encourage' me and help with whichever kids I have. How ridiculous, I end up taking the doors and they are 'shocked' how well I can speak to householders and such. What this tells me is they have judged me, some punk teenagers with little to No life experience are going to encourage me, a married women with children, and actual life experience. Ha. Ha.
How most meetings what we hear is so hypocritical is just absurd. And that I am NOT the only one.
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Blown away-- where to go from here
by All for show ini stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.
the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.
it's global.
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Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and advice. I realize I need to be careful at home and with family. I have mentioned somethings at a family gathering and while we can complain about people and spiritual politics, 'theres no where to go' and 'this is the truth' stand strong. You know that line we know not to cross as a 'born in'. All the unspoken rules we live by.
We dont fit in anywhere, we don't buy in to the JW life 100 percent and yet try to be balanced and limit our 'worldly association' and our involvement with things that aren't spiritual pursuits. We feel Unhappy either way. So why keep trying? Yes, that's the question. The cycle of not being good enough or doing enough gets so old. As you all know... It's exhausting.
The most shocking now is seeing they have cherry picked scripture to their held beliefs while condeming 'false religion' for doing it. How did they get so off base? Where do it go wrong? Were they well intentioned and they got too much power? My thoughts are everywhere. wow...
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Blown away-- where to go from here
by All for show ini stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.
the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.
it's global.
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Thanks to everyone responding! Yes I am very overwhelmed with it all. I have been on jw facts.com and it is incredibly overwhelming. I don't know where to begin or end.
My husband doesn't care what people think, never has, so he feels he trusts in Jehovah and no one else. He doesn't mind we look spiritually weak or irresponsible plus having so many children (which you know in the KH with weak attendance assume our children are doomed at Armageddon). He believes Jehovah is the only one to judge so why waste time with people And their opinions. I wish I had that confidence. I care what people think and JWs always think the worst.
who doesn't want friends? Or to fit in? We both feel horrible when we leave meeting, unworthy, beat down, wasted our time, and unappreciated. Really, is this how we should feel? From the platform they say the same company line, "we are the happiest people". Everyone nods in agreement knowing it's a lie.
I find the idea uncomfortable of not raising my kids in a 'church' since that is the only thing I know from my childhood. Anyone have advice, experience? I have let him know all the things I don't like about our faith, and he is open and listens. He says there is no reason to rush thinga, our children are still young. I would like to call myself a halfer, half in, half out, half believe, half don't believe. Or, just confused.